JESUS IN INDIA
PROS AND CONS


the Wanderling


For every webpage on the internet that discusses the probability that Jesus was in India at one time or the other during his life there are at least ten pages that purports otherwise --- and vice versa ad infinitum. The two major players who seem to carry the most weight in the whole controversy, at least on-line weight, are Jim Deardorff on one side and Bhakti Ananda Goswami on the other. An example of their back and forth exchanges can be found below.

NOTE: Passages bracketed between quotes are by Jim Deardorff; Passages in upper case are Bhakti Ananda Goswami's follow-up replies. Those set off by >>> are previous postings by Bhakti Ananda Goswami.



We start with Jim Deardorff:

“However, another critic that you mentioned, Professor J. Archibald Douglas, had to acknowledge evidence that Notovitch had indeed been to Leh at least (the dentist in Leh had once treated him), and in responding to Müller, Notovitch mentioned names of two others who could attest to his having traveled there (one was the governor of Ladakh). The critics never followed up on these names, or if they did, never published it. “

Followed by Bhakti Ananda Goswami's response, etc., etc.:

NOTOVITCH IN LEH IS NO PROOF OF HIS CLAIM REGARDING THE STORY OF JESUS AT THE MONASTERY.


“Also, Notovitch’s description of both the exterior and interior of the Hemis monastery, like those of his travel experiences themselves, are sufficiently detailed without appearing in any way contrived as to dispel doubts that he had been to the monastery. Thus, Müller’s claim here, along with his others, seems to have been irrelevant.”

HE COULD HAVE VISITED THERE WITHOUT ANY OF THE JESUS STORY BEING TRUE. FURTHERMORE, HE COULD HAVE GOTTEN HIS DESCRIPTION FROM ANYONE WHO HAD BEEN THERE. AFTER ALL, HE WAS A JOURNALIST AND WRITER BY PROFESSION!


“However, from Abhedananda’s confirmation of the Lost Years verses, we know that Notovitch’s find had indeed been genuine. Notovitch may have been no saint, but the genuineness of his finding has been confirmed. You have now placed yourself in the position where you have to claim that Abhedananda was a colossal liar. And others, too, who visited Hemis monastery still later and spoke with certain monks who mentioned the Lost Years verses. And also the author and discoverer of the Talmud of Jmmanuel. And the report of another whom you would have to denigrate, is as follows: 

THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON THESE CLAIMANTS AND THEIR FOLLOWERS.  WHERE IS ANY VERIFIABLE PROOF ?  WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?  EXAMINE THEM EACH FOR EXISTENCE AND CREDIBILITY.  WHO ARE “CERTAIN MONKS” AND WHY SHOULD WE ADMIT THEIR TESTIMONY INTO EVIDENCE?  WHO IS THIS SWAMI, AND WHAT IS HIS CREDIBILITY?  WHAT IS HIS LINEAGE AND WHAT ARE HIS AFFILIATIONS?  WITHOUT CONSIDERING THE SOURCE, YOU ARE BACK TO TAKING THINGS ON THE WORD OF PERSONS WHO MAY NOT EVEN EXIST, OR WHO HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN PROMOTING A PARTICULAR PERSPECTIVE.  NEW AGERS ‘AUTOMATICALLY’ DISCREDIT JEWISH AND CHRISTIAN TRADITIONALISTS, AND CREDIT ESOTERICISTS AND ALTERNATIVE HISTORY WRITERS.  THEY ARE GENERALLY GULLIBLE AND NAIVE ABOUT THE RELIABILITY OF THEIR COUNTER-CULTURE SOURCES, AND ACCEPT PRACTICALLY ANYTHING FROM THEM AS CREDIBLE.  THIS IS A CASE IN POINT.  THERE IS NO EVIDENCE, ONLY HEARSAY OF EVIDENCE.


“There is a report that records exist in the Puri Jagannath Temple archives confirming that Issa had spent some time in India. This comes from Sri Daya Mata of the Self-Realization Fellowship, when in 1959 she interviewed Sri Bharati Krishna Tirtha in India; he was the Shankaracharya of Puri. In the article she says, “In 1959 I discussed this [Jesus being in India during the ‘unknown years’] with one of India’s great spiritual leaders, His Holiness Sri Bharati Krishna Tirtha, the Shankaracharya of Puri. I told him that Guruji had often said to us that Christ spent some of his life in India, in association with her illumined sages. His Holiness replied, ‘That is true.  I have studied ancient records in the Puri Jagannath Temple archives confirming these facts. He was known as “Isha,” and during part of his time in India he stayed in the Jagannath Temple. When he returned to his part of the world, he expounded the teachings that are known today as Christianity.’” In the above, “Guruji” refers to the yogi Paramahansa Yogananda, and Puri is a coastal city in southeast India, where the Jagannath Temple is located. The Lost Years verses mention that Issa had spent time at this location.”[1]

WITH ALL RESPECT TO PARAMAHAMSA YOGANANDA AND H.H. THE SHANKARACHARYA OF PURI, WHERE IS THE PROOF?  THIS IS ALL HEARSAY AND NO ONE HAS PRODUCED THESE DOCUMENTS.   IF THEY ARE SO IMPORTANT TO THE WORLD, WHERE IS A SINGLE AUTHENTICATED COPY OF THEM FOR THE WORLD TO STUDY ?  IT IS ALL ‘SMOKE AND MIRRORS’ AND HEARSAY UNTIL THERE IS AN AUTHENTIC ORIGINAL OR EVEN A RELIABLY AUTHENTICATED COPY TO STUDY !


“It just isn’t at all scholarly to assume that everyone who has researched and disclosed the reality of the “Jesus in India” evidence, including the Ahmadiyyas and Ahmad, is to be automatically disqualified.”

I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY ‘AUTOMATIC’ DISQUALIFICATION, BUT I HAVE SEEN VAST AMOUNTS OF INFORMATION THAT DISCREDITS THE WHOLE POST 19TH CENTURY ESOTERIC CONSPIRATORIAL JESUS-IN-INDIA ENTERPRISE FROM EVERY DIFFERENT ANGLE.  MUSLIM SCHOLARS ALONE HAVE PRODUCED DETAILED HISTORIES OF THE AHMAD’S LIFE AND REVELATIONS, INCLUDING HIS VARIOUS ‘DISCOVERIES’ OF THE ‘TOMB OF JESUS’. THE ACTIVITIES AND DECEPTIONS OF NOTOVITCH ARE WELL DOCUMENTED.  HE WAS NOT ONLY NOT A SAINT, BUT HE WAS, LIKE BLAVATSKY, A PROVEN PEN-FOR-HIRE, LITERARY CON ARTIST AND ASPIRING SPY !

>>> Worse yet, Müller shared a letter (June 29, 1894) from an English woman who had visited Leh in Ladakh, including the Hemis lamasery, where she checked out Notovitch’s story. She reported that, according to the abbot, “There is not a single word of truth in the whole story! There has been no Russian here. No one has been taken into the Seminary for the past fifty years with a broken leg! There is no life of Christ there at all! [Goodspeed, p. 11][2]


“There’s no reason to believe that this English woman would have known anything about what went on within the monastery. If you continue on with her letter, which you didn’t, it read:


"It is dawning on me that people who in England profess to have been living in Buddhist monasteries in Tibet and to have learnt there the mysteries of Esoteric Buddhism are frauds. The monasteries one and all are the most filthy places. The Lamas are the dirtiest of a very dirty race. They are fearfully ignorant and idolaters ‘pur et simple; no—neither pure nor simple.’"


“This was in Mueller’s Oct. 1894 article in Nineteenth Century journal.  This woman was apparently a very biased person who wouldn’t have wished to enter the monastery. She was likely associated with the Christian missionary outpost in Leh, which Notovitch stayed away from. When he broke his leg, he decided to take his chances with assistance from the monastery rather than going to the mission for assistance (Read his book!). So in all, I’d have to give zero credence to the claims of this woman, who seems to have been quite a racist. Here there is very good reason why she should be disqualified.”

THE FACT IS THAT LIKE THE LATER LOBSANG RAMPA, WESTERNERS, EVEN AND ESPECIALLY IN NOTOVITCH’S TIME, WROTE ELABORATE FICTIONS ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCES IN TIBET, THAT WERE THEN SUCCESSFULLY PASSED OFF ON OTHER OUTSIDERS AS AUTHENTIC. IN THE 19TH CENTURY, OPEN TIBET WAS AT THE CENTER OF THE OUTSIDE WORLD’S POPULAR ATTENTION FOR EXOTIC AND MYSTICAL PLACES. IT WAS REPLACING EGYPT AS THE OCCULT WORLD’S PLACE-OF-CHOICE IN POPULARITY.

NUMEROUS ESOTERICISTS AND POPULAR WRITERS TRAVELED TO KASHMIR, AND LEH ETC., IN THEIR BODIES AND IMAGINATIONS, TO BE IN THE INNER SANCTUM OF ‘WHAT WAS HAPPENING’ AT THE TIME.  DUE TO THE RUSSIAN, BRITISH AND INDIAN-KASHMIRI RELATED POLITICAL INTRIGUES IN TIBET AND KASHMIR, THE WHOLE REGION WAS ALSO FULL OF INTENSE RELIGIO-POLITICAL SPYING, INTRIGUE AND PROPAGANDIZING.

PLEASE READ THE EXCELLENT SERIES ON THE HISTORY OF THE KASHMIRI SINGH DYNASTY CONSPIRACIES, ON THE ESOTERIC AND SCIENCE NEWS SITES.   THE QUESTION IS NOT WHETHER MULLER AND HIS CORRESPONDENTS WERE RACISTS OR NOT OR CHRISTIANS OR NOT, BUT WHETHER THERE IS ANY CREDIBLE EVIDENCE FOR THE EXISTENCE OF THE DOCUMENTS OR NOT.  WHERE IS / ARE  THE DOCUMENT(S) OR ARE THE PERSONS CLAIMING TO HAVE SEEN THEM?   WHAT IS THE CREDIBILITY OF THE PERSONS AND EVIDENCE THAT CAN BE PRODUCED BY THEIR PROPONENTS.  INVOKING THE RACISM OF THE CRITICS DOES NOT DISCREDIT THEIR ACCURATE OBSERVATION THAT WESTERNERS WERE GUILTY OF WRITING FICTIONS ABOUT TIBET AND PASSING THEM OFF AS TRUTH.  NEITHER DOES IT EFFECT THE FACT THAT NO PROPONENT HAS PRODUCED ANY AUTHENTICATED RECORD OF THIS / THESE DOCUMENTS AT THE ALLEGED MONASTERY.

>>> After Müller’s attack, Notovitch began to back-pedal, changing his story in the preface of the 1895 edition. This time it seemed that there had been no single two-volume work as he had first claimed, but that he had assembled his Unknown Life from fragmentary notices scattered among many Tibetan scrolls.


“This was New Testament scholar Goodspeed’s claim, after Notovitch had responded to Mueller by writing, “They [the Isa verses] are to be found scattered through more than one book without any title.” From that, Goodspeed and later others have claimed Notovitch back-pedaled or perhaps reneged, since in his book he had mentioned them having come from two large volumes. (See Prophet, p. 188.) But is it so difficult to imagine that most of the Issa verses were located in one volume, from which Abhedananda was later read to, and most of the rest located within a second volume? You can see what has happened—Christian scholars so badly wanted the whole thing to be a hoax that they distorted the slightest seeming discrepancy, picking on the difference between “two volumes” and “more than one book.” Really!  And as I questioned before, would Notovitch have been able to keep track of which of two volumes the lama read from on any given day?”

THIS ‘PLAUSIBLE DENIABILTY’ DOES NOT ACCOUNT FOR THE FACT THAT NO DOCUMENT(S) HAVE EVER BEEN PRODUCED FOR EXAMINATION AND NO ACTUAL TIBETAN AUTHORITY HAS COME FORWARD TO PROCLAIM THEIR LEGITIMACY. WHY HAS H.H. THE DALAI LAMA NEVER CONFIRMED THE STORY ?  WHY HAS THERE NEVER BEEN ANY OFFICIAL CONFIRMATION OF IT?  OF COURSE THE CONSPIRACY THEORISTS WORK OVER TIME TO EXPLAIN THIS...BUT THE FACT IS THAT THERE HAS BEEN NO OBJECTIVE OR AUTHORITATIVE CONFIRMATION.  I AM A VAISHNAVA MASTER, AND I AM  DAILY CONFRONTED WITH THE FACT THAT OTHER VAISHNAVA MASTERS HAVE IN GOOD-FAITH ACCEPTED THIS FRAUDULENT NONSENSE  AND ARE ENTHUSIASTICALLY TEACHING IT AS FACT TO THEIR ACCEPTING DISCIPLES.  JUST BECAUSE A SAINTLY AND HONEST RELIGIOUS LEADER IS PROMOTING THESE THINGS AS TRUE, DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY ARE TRUE.  FURTHERMORE, THE RELIGIOUS FANATICS TO BE FEARED ARE NOT THE MAINSTREAM RELIGION JEWS AND CATHOLICS, WHO ARE SUPPOSEDLY CONSPIRING TO ‘HIDE’ THESE TRUTHS, BUT THE FANATICAL AHMADIYYA MUSLIMS, HINDUS AND OCCULT ‘FUNDAMENTALIST’ ARYANISTS, WHO BELIEVE THIS STUFF AND THREATEN AND ATTACK PERSONS LIKE MYSELF FOR EXPOSING IT.  AS A SCHOLAR WHO HAS RESEARCHED AND TAUGHT ABOUT REAL EVIDENCE OF EASTERN, ‘PAGAN’, JEWISH AND CHRISTIAN HISTORICAL CONNECTIONS FOR OVER 30 YEARS, I HAVE NEVER ONCE BEEN THREATENED OR ATTACKED, BOMBED OR ASSASSINATED BY A JEWISH OR CATHOLIC FANATIC.  THERE IS NO JEWISH OR CHRISTIAN CONSPIRACY TO SUPPRESS THE REAL EVIDENCE OF EASTERN (CENTRALLY VAISHNAVA) AND JUDEO-CHRISTIAN CONNECTIONS, BUT THERE HAS BEEN AN EFFORT OF ARYANIST ESOTERICISTS AND MAYAVADI HINDUS, MUSLIMS AND BUDDHISTS TO INTIMIDATE, DISCREDIT AND SILENCE ME.  MY LIFE HAS BEEN REPEATEDLY THREATENED AND I HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN ATTACKED BY FANATICAL ADVOCATES OF YOUR ‘JESUS IN INDIA’, WHO CONSIDER HIM TO BE EITHER CONVERSELY AN ARYAN MASTER, OR THE ‘GURU OF THE ANTI-ARYAN MLECCHAS AND YAVANAS’.  IN EITHER CASE, IT HAS NOT BEEN JEWS OR CHRISTIANS WHO HAVE ATTACKED ME FOR PRESENTING REAL-WORLD EVIDENCE THAT JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY ARE HISTORICALLY CONNECTED TO THE GREAT EASTERN BHAKTI TRADITIONS, IT HAS BEEN THE ARYANIST AND ESOTERIC ADVOCATES OF THE ‘JESUS IN KASHMIR’ TEACHINGS THAT HAVE TRIED TO SILENCE ME WITH THREATS AND ATTACKS.

>>> The same year, Professor J. Archibald Douglas of Agra visited the Hemis monastery and interviewed the abbot, reading him Notovitch’s Unknown Life. The abbot was outraged at the hoax and asked why crimes like Notovitch’s fraud could not be punished! As abbot for the past fifteen years, he knew no one had been given shelter with a broken leg, and as a lama for forty-two years he could attest there was no such document as Notovitch claimed to have used [Goodspeed, p. 13][3]. Notovitch was exposed as a fraud and that was the end of it for a while.


“Here the critics have assumed, without cause, that a lama would certainly not tell a lie to a potential trouble maker to get rid of him. Müller noted that there indeed had been travelers to the East “to whom Brahmans or Buddhists have supplied, for a consideration, the information and even the manuscripts which they were in search of.” He felt that Notovitch might have been such a victim of a Buddhist monk who supplied him with an invented story. However, it is more likely that Douglas instead was the unknowing victim of a monk’s discretion or subterfuge, as it would obviously have been much simpler for the chief lama of Hemis to deny to Douglas any knowledge of Notovitch’s visit there, after having learned of some potentially dangerous reactions that Notovitch’s 1894 book could cause, than it would have been for him to invent on the spot a collection of 244 verses about Isa to read to Notovitch and his translator. And any impartial reading of his book discloses no good motivation why Notovitch, of Russian Orthodox belief, would have had to invent the verses about Isa, though he was obviously excited at the prospect of being the one to fill in this gap within the Gospels and bring the information to the attention of the West.”

YOUR WHOLE ARGUMENT SHOWS THAT YOU ARE BOTH UNLEARNED AND GULLIBLE WITH REGARD TO NOTOVITCH’S HISTORY, CHARACTER AND MOTIVES, AND THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO CLAIM DECEPTION ON BEHALF OF THE MONKS WHEN IT SUITS YOU.  BUDDHIST MONKS TAKE VOWS OF TRUTHFULNESS.  WHILE HUMAN FAILINGS ARE A FACT, LET US CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING.  IS IT MORE REASONABLE TO ACCEPT THAT NOTOVITCH, AND HIS KNOWN CON-ARTIST ‘ESOTERIC’ AND POLITICAL SPY CRONIES WERE LIARS, OR THAT BUDDHIST MONKS, CHRISTIAN MISSIONARIES AND SCHOLARS WITH REPUTATIONS FOR TRUTHFULNESS (EVEN IF THEY WERE BIASED) WERE LIARS ?  IS IT MORE REASONABLE TO ACCEPT THAT NOTOVITCH, A MAN WITH A PROVEN HISTORY OF FICTION WRITING, SPYING, DISINFORMATION AND OTHER CALCULATED DECEPTION WAS AGAIN WRITING FICTION AND LYING, OR THAT VARIOUS BUDDHIST MONKS, INCLUDING THE ABBOT....

1.   LIED TO HIM ABOUT WHAT WAS IN THEIR LIBRARY, READING HIM CONCOCTED STORIES ?

2.   LIED TO OTHERS ABOUT HIS VISIT TO THEM?

3.   LIED  TO OTHERS ABOUT WHAT WAS IN THEIR LIBRARY ?

4.   LIED TO OTHERS ABOUT READING NOTOVITCH THE JESUS STORIES ?

5.   LIED CONTINUALLY OVER TIME TO COVER UP THAT NOTOVITCH HAD HAD THE STORIES READ TO HIM THERE ?

WHAT IS MORE CREDIBLE, THE SWORN SEALED TESTIMONY OF AN ABBOT, THE TESTIMONY OF A MISSIONARY OR SCHOLAR, OR THE TESTIMONY OF NOTOVITCH, WHOSE LIFE WAS ONE OF NO SERIOUS RELIGIOUS DISCIPLINE, DEVOTIONAL SERVICE OR SCHOLARSHIP, AND INSTEAD WAS FULL OF POLITICAL-PEN-FOR-HIRE WORK AND CHARLATANISM?  THE COUNTER-CLAIMS OF THE ABBOT, MISSIONARY, SCHOLAR AND OTHER OF NOTOVITCH’S EARLIEST CRITICS HAVE NEVER BEEN DISCREDITED BY ANY OFFICIAL BUDDHIST REFUTATION SUPPORTING NOTOVITCH’S ORIGINAL CLAIMS !  THE SUPPOSED TEXT(S) HAVE NEVER BEEN PRODUCED FOR GENERAL AUTHENTICATION AND STUDY !  WHATEVER ANY SUBSEQUENT MONKS OR A GURU CLAIMS TO HAVE SEEN HAS NEVER BEEN PRODUCED EITHER, SO WHOSE CLAIMS HAVE BEEN PROVEN BY THE TEST-OF-TIME AND VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE, AND WHOSE CLAIMS HAVE NOT ?


“In his response to Mueller, which he placed in his 1895 book, Notovitch explained that the head lama may have replied negatively to Prof. Douglas “because Orientals are in the habit of looking upon Europeans as robbers, who introduce themselves in their midst to despoil them in the name of civilization.” This is backed up by the Tibetologists D.L. Snellgrove and T. Skorupski who, in their 1977 book, reported that, “They [the monks at Hemis monastery] seem convinced that all foreigners steal if they can.  There have in fact been quite serious losses of property in recent years...”. In the 1907 book by V. R. Gandhi, he wrote that, “Europeans have not yet understood the reason why the monks and other custodians of the sacred literature of the East have been unwilling to give full information about manuscripts.” He went on to explain that it was due to the Muslim invaders of India once having destroyed thousands of the Indians’ sacred documents, and to early Christian missionaries having acquired and belittled some of the documents.”

ARE THESE PLAUSIBLE REASONS TO DENY THE WORLD ACCESS TO AUTHENTICATED COPIES OF THE DOCUMENTS IN QUESTION?  DOES THIS ARGUMENT JUSTIFY THE FACT THAT THE DOCUMENTS HAVE NEVER BEEN COPIED AND THOSE COPIES MADE AVAILABLE IN THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGES FOR OBJECTIVE STUDY ?

WHERE IS THERE EVEN ANY READABLE COPY OF THE ARAMAIC TEXT OF THE “TALMUD OF JMMANUEL”, OR OF THE TIBETAN TEXT OF THE LOST YEARS OF JESUS, OR OF THE SENZAR TEXT OF BLAVATSKY’S “STANZAS OF DZYAN”, OR OF THE ‘EGYPTIAN’ TEXT OF THE “BOOK OF MORMON” ?  NONE WILL EVER BE PRODUCED BECAUSE THESE ARE NOT REAL ANCIENT LITERATURES.


“This easily explains Prof. Douglas’s findings, about whom we know nothing except what he wrote in a letter to Mueller. In his letter, it shows through that he was a Christian who was deeply offended by Notovitch’s findings.”

EVEN DEEPLY OFFENDED JEWS AND CHRISTIANS CAN TELL THE TRUTH SOME TIMES YOU KNOW !  YOUR OWN PREJUDICE AGAINST JUDAISM AND CATHOLIC-RELATED CHRISTIANITY IS PERVASIVE ON YOUR SITE.  IN FACT, THE ESOTERIC TRADITIONS (LIKE THEOSOPHY AND MASONRY) ARE PREDOMINANTLY ANTI-JEWISH AND ANTI-CATHOLIC IN GENERAL, IN THEIR HISTORICAL GENEALOGY, AND SO THESE FIND SUPPORT IN ALL OF THE SAME PLACES THAT YOU ARE DRAWING YOUR INSPIRATION AND INFORMATION FROM.   SADLY, LIKE SO MANY OTHERS, YOU HAVE SIMPLY FALLEN VICTIM TO SOME OF THE MANY SCAMS / CONS IN THE LUCRATIVE POST 19TH CENTURY NEW AGE REVELATION-MAKING BUSINESS.  YOU AND OTHER MILLIONS OF PEOPLE HAVE BECOME ENTHRALLED TO THESE SCAM ARTISTS AND CANNOT DISCERN THAT YOU HAVE BEEN CHEATED.  YOU HAVE BEEN LIED TO.  NOW AS HONEST AND EDUCATED PERSONS OF INTEGRITY, YOU ARE UNWITTINGLY REPEATING LIES, WHICH ARE EVER MORE MIXING WITH LAYERS OF CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE AND NEW TRUTHS TO PRODUCE A MASSIVE CONCRETION OF CONFUSED TRUTHS-AND-ERRORS / LIES.   AT THE HISTORICAL CORE OF THE CONCRETION IS NOTHING BUT A LIE, AND NO AMOUNT OF SUBSEQUENT DEFENSE WILL CHANGE THE FACT.


AND NOW THIS:

It is hoped the above was interesting as well as intriguing. It is up to you to make your own decision one way or the other about Jesus in India. If you want to investigate further, there are a few links below for just such a case.

For me it all goes back to a set of ancient Tibetan texts called the Hemis Manuscripts and their impact on my Mentor, the real life person used by W. Somerset Maugham for the main character in his novel The Razor's Edge. The existence of the manuscripts has always been very controversial. However, my interest is based strictly on how the manuscripts inspired my mentor to go to Hemis, thus then India, in the first place. That is to say, because he had been told by the Benedictine monk Father Ensheim that the manuscripts existed he went to the Hemis monastery in search of them. Real or not he still went.

After having left Europe for India, the summer of 1925 found him getting off a boat in Bombay on his way to Hemis. Just before leaving Bombay he went to see the caves at Elephanta, and while there met a holy man named Swami Ramdas, a holy man he would meet again, many times.

Although much different in scope, like my mentor, Ramdas was on a spiritual pilgrimage throughout India, traveling the width and breadth of the country, top to bottom, side to side, a pilgrimage that started in 1922 and not ending until 1931. In the process of his travels, one of the many holy places Ramdas sought out and stayed was a small cave in Himalayas overlooking the upper reaches of the Ganges River called Arundhati's Cave. That same cave is also called 'the Jesus Cave' because through legend it is said Jesus of Nazareth stayed there for a time in meditation during his so called 'missing years of the Bible.' In the book, In The Vision of God, by Ramdas, the following is found:


"It was on the fifth day, maybe after midnight; the nights were pitch dark. Ramdas usually sat up the whole night in the cave. The cave was suddenly lit up by a strange light. Ramdas saw seated before him, on the floor about three or four feet from him, the figure of a man. His face was dazzling with a heavenly splendor. The features were fine, regular and beautiful. There was a short, black, glossy beard and moustache on the face. The lips were crimson red, revealing milk-white, lustrous teeth. Soft shining black curls flowed down his shoulders. He wore a long, dark, chocolate colored robe or gown with wide, loose sleeves. What fascinated Ramdas were his eyes. They were scintillating like twin stars. The rays they were emitting were filled with tenderness, love and compassion. Ramdas gazed on them, charmed and delighted. It struck him: “This is Jesus Christ.” There was another beside him, but Ramdas’ eyes were not for him, although he was aware of his presence. He might be a disciple. Now Christ’s lips moved. He was speaking. Ramdas listened, but could not make out what he said. The tongue sounded strange and unknown to him. For perhaps a minute he spoke; then the vision vanished, while the glow of light remained in the cave for some minutes more. Ramdas was completely immersed in ecstasy and only came to external consciousness after broad daylight."


My mentor, out of pure conincidence, during his travels, stayed at the 'Jesus cave' as well, although he reported no such experiences as Ramdas. If it was before or after Ramdas' visit is not known, however, to my knowledge they did not meet or bump into each other there in the classical sense.

The downstream outflow of events, meeting Swami Ramdas to meeting the venerated Indian holy man the Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi and my mentor's eventual Awakening to the Absolute under the grace and light of the Bhagavan all transpired because of his decision to follow Father Ensheim's advice and seek out the manuscripts.


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Although the below information covers the same subject matter as found in the between the quotes paragraph by Jim Deardorff in the above main text, the below was NOT written by Deardorff but the Wanderling for inclusion as a Footnote in The Hemis Manuscripts. It has been borrowed from the Hemis Manuscript page and presented here for clarification of Deardorff's quoted paragraph:


In 1959, Sri Daya Mata had traveled to India to meet and talk with people of note related to the Fellowship as well as visit some of the hallowed and sacred places from which the Fellowship sprang. During her travels she stopped to see Sri Bharati Krishna Tirtha (1884-1960), the Shankaracharya of Puri, who had visited the Self-Realization Center in California the year before. As reported in the article titled "Remembering Paramahansa Yogananda," appearing in Self-Realization Magazine, (Winter, 1992, p.16) the following transpired:


"In 1959 I discussed this (Jesus being in India during his so-called 'missing years' of the Bible) with one of India's great spiritual leaders, His Holiness Sri Bharati Krishna Tirtha, the Shankaracharya of Puri. I told him that Guruji (Paramahansa Yogananda) had often said to us that Christ spent some of his life in India, in association with her illumined sages."


His Holiness replied:


"That is true. I have studied ancient records in the Puri Jagannath Temple archives confirming these facts. He was known as 'Isha,' and during part of his time in India he stayed in the Jagannath Temple. When he returned to his part of the world, he expounded the teachings that are known today as Christianity."


So, not only the Hemis Manuscripts attest to Jesus visiting India, there are it seems, according to Bharati Krishna Tirtha, ancient records in the Jagannath Temple archives in Puri --- clear across the sub-continent from the Buddhist temples of the Himalayas to nearly on the coast Hindu temples.

In the Hemis Manuscripts it is stated that Issa spent six years in Jagannath (now Puri) and other holy cities of the Hindus, before going to live for a further six years in the Himalayas. In relation, Chapter V and VI translations are said to reveal the following:

CHAPTER V
5) He passed six years at Juggernaut (i.e., Puri), at Rajagriha, at Benares, and in the other holy cities. Everyone loved him, for Issa lived in peace with the Vaisyas and the Sudras, whom he instructed in the holy scriptures.

CHAPTER VI
2) But Issa, warned of his danger by the Sudras, left the neighborhood of Juggernaut by night, reached the mountain, and established himself in the country of Gautamides, the birthplace of the great Buddha Sakyamuni, in the midst of a people worshipping the one and sublime Brahma.

4) Six years after, Issa, whom the Buddha had elected to spread his holy word, had become a perfect expositor of the sacred writings.

5) Then he left Nepal and the Himalayan mountains, descended into the valley of Rajputana, and went towards the west, preaching to diverse peoples the supreme perfection of man.





















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JESUS IN INDIA? Plausible Deniability, New Age Neo-Gnostic Religions and Fraudulent ‘Ancient Scriptures’ - Part One

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