C. Scott Littleton (1933 - 2010), who I often cite in my works and always credit, is usually considered by historians, researchers and UFOlogists as the most credible, bottom line authority on the so-called Battle of Los Angeles, a "battle" wherein an 800 foot Zeppelin-size airborne object of unknown origin escaped unscathed after hours in the sky above the Los Angeles area and being pounded a good part of the night by over 1440 anti-aircraft rounds early in World War II. There are hundreds of Littleton's eyewitness accounts of the Battle that show up in books, the internet and in print articles. Nearly all of them incorporate comments of MY eyewitness experience of the same event, and of which, for example, even show up in his own hardback book, researched and authored by himself, the highly touted, and rightly so, memoir of Littleton growing up in Hermosa Beach circa 1940-1950 titled 2500 Strand.
Littleton and I lived in the same general area on and off at the sametime, with both having gone to Pier Avenue School in Hermosa Beach as well as attending the same high school and community college and being in the Army, albeit with me following several footsteps behind most of the way because of a couple of years age difference. We are the only two "eyewitnesses" of any note that have come forward with strong narratives of the event. His reports come from his fully unobstructed broadside view along the coast from his perch along the Strand in Hermosa Beach and my underside and end view of the object as it turned inland and crossed directly above my house in Redondo Beach at a nearly dirt-dragging low altitude.
Even though nearly all of his works on the subject incorporate comments of my eyewitness experience of the event and vice versa, in a semi un-professor-like fashion he seldom cites me, the Wanderling, personally as the source. Only one time that I am aware of that he linked to my works (in footnotes...see Quote Soucres at bottom), and invariably refers to my accounts as being "shaky," i.e., as in the following storyline, most of which you may recall if you have read what I have presented in UFO Over L.A.:
"However, we can now tentatively pick it up over Redondo. Another possible eyewitness, who claims to have lived in Redondo Beach has recently come to my attention. He --- I've yet to discover his name --- says that he recalls watching the craft descend as it passed slowly over his family home on Irena Street(actually Lucia Street), which is about a mile back from the ocean. The man also claims that his father at first thought it was coming in for a landing, perhaps at the nearby Lomita airstrip, and that the latter and several neighbors jumped into a pickup truck and tried to follow the object. But apparently it soon regained altitude and passed over the Palos Verdes Hills to the south (actually between Palos Verdes on the west and Signal Hill on the east). He also recalls noting that the 'stern' of the craft was rectangular, with rounded edges, ands very thick.
"While this account, gleaned from the Internet, is extremely shaky, and there are reasons to question some other assertions made by the same 'eyewitness' the fact that my mother and I lost sight of the object as it descended in the direction of Redondo Beach does lend some credence to this report."
Notice such things as "possible eyewitness," "claims to have lived in Redondo Beach," "He," "I've yet to discover his name," "The man also claims that his father," --- I mean, the man, and claims that his father? No mention that the "possible eyewitness" was me, the Wanderling. No link to me or any of my works he quoted from nor mention of same. So too, even though I have gone back into my pages several times and strengthened areas that might be construed as shaky, including additional sources, clearer explanations, and backup material referenced from such as found in THE BATTLE OF LOS ANGELES: The Radar Dilemma and interviews with eyewitnesses like Albert Nozaki --- and even submitted some of those changes to Littleton on and off over time, including requests for critiques, he never responded nor changed the contents of his works to more closely resemble the corrections. As for any "claims," shaky or otherwise, about me living in Redondo Beach at the time of the incident, please see World War II Comes To Redondo. Lack of corrections or responses not at all, sadly for everybody, Littleton passed November 2010. Needless to say my works have always been better because of him.
And now this from the source cited making mention to the city of Long Beach. What is being intimated is that the craft exited out over the ocean near Long Beach and after having done so, disappeared, begging the question then, what happened to it? To wit, the following:
"The object that triggered the air raid alarm had drawn 1430 rounds of ammunition from the coast artillery, to no effect. When it moved at all, the object had proceeded at a leisurely pace over the coastal cities between Santa Monica and Long Beach, taking about 30 minutes of actual flight time to move 20 miles; then it disappeared from view."
FATE MAGAZINE: World War II UFO Scare, Paul T. Collins, 1987
Moving on, Littleton also presented the following, again using the word "shaky" and without citing source or credit:
"It's recently been suggested, on the basis of what in my opinion is some pretty shaky evidence that the craft itself ultimately crashed in the ocean off San Diego and was recovered by Navy divers.
"This might possibly explain its apparent descent over Redondo Beach. Perhaps the object had in fact been wounded by the intense anti-aircraft fire and, after nearly crashing into Redondo Beach, eventually lost control, and went into the sea. Yet another recent assertion, equally shaky, is that it landed more or less intact on San Clemente Island, in those days a Navy bombing range, and was commandeered by either the Navy or the Marine Corps."
If your remember from the main text I wrote:
"It should be noted for the reader that since this article was put online several years ago, many people have taken my original idea of the L.A. object landing on San Clemente Island and ran with it --- and done so nearly always without citing sources or giving credit. However, the possibility for the potential landing at San Clemente was extrapolated directly from MY uncle through personal conversations with Dr. La Paz."
The landing on San Clemente Island was extrapolated directly from MY uncle through personal conversations with Dr. La Paz. That is to say, La Paz told my uncle and only my uncle --- with me in attendance --- who inturn re-elaborated it to me and me only when I was no longer just a young boy. Therefore any information regarding same came to light only through me revealing it. You may also recall what I quote below regarding Littleton's comments about the object being recovered by Navy divers, information passed on to only me during a discussion with a a highly respected west coast based marine archaeologist:
"He(the marine archaeologist) told me although he was too young to have participated in any original dive related to the object --- actually he had not even been born yet --- he had met a couple of old timers, hard hat guys, who had. They told him they participated in a retrieval effort of a highly secret nature off San Clemente Island a few months after the start of the war --- not between the coast and the island proper, but on the east open ocean side. They told Jack, to their knowledge nothing ever came of it and nothing of any size was found or located, although over the years they heard rumors to the contrary. For one thing, apparently whatever they were looking for sonar was not able to detect it. So too, they had been diving during the day which was fairly typical, doing so in conjunction with the civilian contracted Navy salvage vessel ARS-1 Viking. However, the regular daytime teams were pulled and sent back while a so-called specially trained night diving crew was brought in moving to the deep open V-shaped trench directly off the southeast tip of the island. What they found, if anything, was not known. "
SAN CLEMENTE ISLAND AND THE 1942 UFO
It is quite clear Littleton likes my eyewitness accounts because they are the only ones he ever seems to include over-and-over in what he presents. However, he always has a tendency to view them as "shaky," or as in the case below where he says my recollections of the object are "atypical" and "and perhaps skewed" --- albeit all the while using them:
"(D)espite the Redondo Beach man's atypical --- and perhaps skewed ---recollection ..."
As well as:
"(W)hat we(Littleton) saw, together with the majority of the descriptions Frank (i.e., Frank Warren, Littleton's collaborator on the subject and editor of the UFO Chronicles) and I have collected, as well as the object caught in the Times reporterís photograph, all jibe closely with literally tens of thousands of eyewitness accounts of UFOs in this country and elsewhere that have come to light in the course of the last six decades."
Littleton was talking about the "typical" saucer or disc-like objects with humps on top, of which the Time's reporters photograph seems to show, and as discussed below, in his own quotes he himself did not see. However, the UFO over L.A. was far from typical. It was huge for one thing. More people reported it was Zeppelin size than anything else. Even Warren himself, along with Littleton's head-nodding agreement on the fact, using what seems to be sort of triangulation, figured it was at a minimum at least 800 feet long. Very few of the "literally tens of thousands of eyewitness accounts of UFOs in this country and elsewhere that have come to light in the course of the last six decades" have claimed to have seen UFOs anywhere near that size --- of those that have, the two most noted are mathematician and astronomer Dr. Linclon La Paz who observed an object 235 feet long and 100 feet thick near Fort Sumner, New Mexico within days following the Roswell Incident and that of three men, one of which was famed desert rat Walt Bickel, who reported seeing a huge, almost duplicate to the L.A. Zeppelin-size object over his desert compound in the 1980s.
Even though both Littleton and I claim to have seen the samething at the sametime, our observations seem to be strikingly different, enough so that he weaves a certain underlying lack of credibility to my recounting of the event as HE views it and his above quotes attest to. The thing is, if you look at the two of our works, any differences can be resolved IF you investigate closely what we have written. Littleton writes:
"(M)y mother and I failed to spot either the hump or the possibly reflective orange glow. Indeed, I strongly suspect that what we saw was the object's ventral, or 'belly' side, which at that altitude was simply glowing white. In any case, as the Times image clearly indicates, the anti-aircraft barrage had begun, and the searchlights were following it steadily."
And I think that is exactly what happened. Littleton saw the object flying horizontal to the surface with the whole of the belly facing him, NOT edge on or from underneath while it was thousands of feet up, but tipped on its side 90 degrees as it slowly crept along the surf line. The top was hidden from view from his vantage point because it was on the other side faced away from him. Top hump or no top hump he would not have been able to have seen it.
Littleton has written, and I agree, no contemporary aircraft, let alone any World War II planes, could have withstood the barrage of shells that was thrown against it. He has postulated the object may have had some sort of force field surrounding it which deflected the shells causing them to explode harmlessly.
Sounds plausible, especially for an advanced craft of some type. However, why would the object turn 90 degrees on its side facing its "ventral, or 'belly' side" toward the incoming rounds as Littleton and his mother observed? I suspect it was low on power and rather than being hit broadside as it lowered in altitude closer to the level of the anti-aircraft guns, the object turned to a more conventional, less energy zapping protection mode while the problem was being frantically worked on. The way it acted shows there is a good chance the object may have had a stronger or reinforced underside, possibly for dissipation of heat as it entered atmospheres. That stronger underside could act as a potential protection from the impact of anti-aircraft rounds. In so saying, it is my thought that the object "rolled over" from Santa Monica as it came in contact with another barrage of anti-aircraft rounds as it dropped altitude along the beach, turning up on its side with the "belly" facing the new rounds of incoming shells --- which is what Littleton saw and why the descriptions between he and I are so different as well as among other eyewitnesses generally. The shovel graphic I use in UFO Over L.A. and the shape it gives off --- is sort of rocketship-like. The view of the shovel is the same as the object on its side with its belly facing directly toward the viewer --- in our case, as Littleton saw it. However, turning inland at Redondo Beach and out of the range of searchlights and anti-aircraft fire it returned to its normal more-or-less flat, top-up flight position, crossing over my house --- with me saying it looked like an upside down shovel because I was able to make out what I describe as a concave curvature of the bottom when the object slowly came face-on and flew over. Except for neighbors and family who saw it that night and one other person, an eyewitness to the event I interviewed by the name of Albert Nozaki, nobody I know of ever reported having seen the object face-on, especially so close and at such a low altitude. What Nozaki saw is described thus:
"(He, Nozaki) was just under the edge of the object as it went over him with the center off to his left, continuing its turn and eventually disappearing in the southern night sky while all the time gaining altitude. It was huge, dark, very long and wide with no lights or signs of windows. Although it did not have protruding wings like an airplane, the object's outside edges ominously curved down."
Nozaki, who later went on to be an Oscar nominated art director, apparently drawing upon his his experiences in the field that night in 1942, designed the terrifying Martian flying machines seen in the 1953 movie War of the Worlds. In a personal one-on-one interview Nozaki said he incorporated some of the ominous-like aspects of the object he saw such as the curving down contours into his 'War of the Worlds' craft wanting to capture some of the fear he felt as the real-life dark object came toward him --- as though he was going to be clutched up by it. So too, how it mysteriously remained aloft, apparently with some sort of technology or power we did not have. In Wells' novel the machines were held upward by three robot like legs. In the movie he tried to make it seem they were being held off the ground and "walking" by three invisible force-field legs. That is why they appeared to tip to one side and fall over when they began crashing.
THE BOTTOM OF THE L.A. UFO HAD THE CONCAVE CURVATURE
OF AN UPSIDE DOWN SHOVEL. SOME SAW A GIANT BUTTERFLY
Littleton himself never saw the object in a side view or directly overhead, only with the bottom facing flat towards him --- so any concave curvature of the bottom was unclear or washed out by the searchlights. After it crossed over me with the bottom facing down and me looking straight up at it, it began to angle upward to clear the oil derricks behind my house, and because of the angle I was not able to make out any sort of a hump on top either.
AN ODE TO PROFESSOR LITTLETON
Littleton is the recognized authority on the subject, while, according to his words my observations are shaky, atypical, and skewed. It is up to the reader to decide. However, regardless of any or all of the above, small pickings to be sure, I love Littleton's works. He will be greatly missed, by me as I struggled to make my works better, and by all that knew him and had the privilege to study under him. My page THE BATTLE OF LOS ANGELES: 1942 UFO is the BEST most comprehensive page on the subject on the net. You can go to page after page on the subject, but if you want it right you have to come back to mine. It has the most personal eyewitness interviews and the best research. In it, for example, rather than take the quote 1440 anti-aircraft rounds that everybody simply regurgitates over and over I have gone back in and researched where the quote came from. Why? Because of Littleton. My page grew from one chapter in length to three because of back and forth banter between Littleton and myself --- each time with me going back in and resolving some issue he questioned. With thanks to Littleton, like I say, it is without a doubt the best page on the subject on the net. I'll miss him. For more on the Redondo Beach Man as Littleton calls me, and thus said placing me more in league with the Piltdown Man, please see:
THE FLYING TIGERS
THE BOY IN THE MAN REMEMBERS THE LEGEND
THE WANDERLING AND HIS UNCLE
Their Life and Times Together
THE CODE MAKER, THE ZEN MAKER
SHANGRI-LA, SHAMBHALA, GYANGANJ, BUDDHISM AND ZEN
As to the subject of donations, for those who may be so interested as it applies to the gratefulness of my works, I invariably suggest any funds be directed toward THE WOUNDED WARRIOR PROJECT and/or THE AMERICAN RED CROSS.
QUOTE SOURCES:The majority of Littleton's quotes used in the above article can be found in
Littleton's book 2500 STRAND, or as otherwise linked to.
Go to Amazon.com. Click search inside book. In the window type: Notes to Chapter Four 42.
After the object passed directly in front of Littleton's house along the Strand in Hermosa Beach, albeit some distance off and above the surfline, he observed it turn inland a couple of miles south of him over Redondo Beach. The object had apparently skirted the surfline after coming out of an easterly direction somewhere around El Segundo continuing south toward and beyond Hermosa Beach. Just as it passed the old Edison steam plant in Redondo Beach, according to witnesses I spoke to myself, rather than continue south around or past Palos Verdes peninsula, it turned diagonally inland headed in a south southeast direction. That diagonal turn inland just past the Edison plant put the object on a direct path right over the top of the Happy Hour Cafe at 400 Strand and owned by the infamous Fifie Malouf. From there in was on a direct route right over my childhood home on South Lucia. But I was not the only one whose house it crossed over.
In high school, before I got my first car, and long before I ever thought of writing anything about the Battle of Los Angeles, my buddies and I used to stop at a mom and pop market for cokes and penny candy on the way home from school. The market was not really "mom and pop" per se' as it was actually owned and run by a father and son team named Edwards who had lived in the neighborhood for years. My brother and I used to cut the grass of many homes in the area on weekends and during the summer, and school or not, we always stopped by the little market to get snacks and drinks. They would even let us run a tab if we were short of cash.
The senior Edwards, who collected coins and had a complete set of Lincoln pennies himself, encouraged all the kids who came into the market on a regular basis to start a penny collection, which my brother and I did. Since Edwards had access to lots of change he used to save piles of pennies for any kid starting a collection to sort through for any they might need or wanted to upgrade to. All of us, of course, were always hoping to find a 1909 S-VDB or a 1943 copper penny. The younger Edwards, overhearing us kids talking about the lack of 1943 copper pennies one day enlightened us with wartime shortages and such. A couple of local men who came into the store joined in and soon the topic turned to the Battle of Los Angeles.
The younger Edwards was around 20 years younger than his dad, and was himself a grown man, married with a family. He grew up in Redondo Beach and lived in a house on Juanita Avenue almost on the top of the crest of the Garnet Street hill. He was probably in his early 30s or so in 1942 when the object crossed right over his house. As he told it he was awakened in the darkened pre-dawn hours by what he thought was the sound of gunfire. Then the house began to rattle, then shudder, causing a few things to fall off the shelves as though a bulldozer or a freight train had gone by right out front of the house on the sidewalk or something. He ran outside just barely catching a glimpse of what he said looked like the dark black hull of a "flying ship" cresting over and going down the hill toward Torrance Boulevard. He raced inside, threw on a pair of shoes and a jacket over his pajamas and ran out to the top of the hill thinking all along that whatever it was crashed into the houses on Lucia Street or into the oil fields beyond. When he got to the top of the hill none of the houses were destroyed, nothing was on fire, and there was no sign of the object.
I recently received a credible email from a reader of my works who now lives in Arkansas or Oklahoma who lived in Redondo Beach as a young boy at the time of the Battle of Los Angeles. He lived with his mom on the 200 block of South Guadalupe Avenue near where it crosses Garnet Street --- only a few blocks down the hill due west from where the younger Edwards lived. If you remember, Edwards was awakened by what he thought was gunfire. The mom of my emailer woke him up and got him out of the house because rounds of gunfire were whizzing right across their front yard, tracking toward some airborne object just north of them that was coming up from the beach. His mother had gone outside to see what all the commotion was and saw the object darkly shadowed on and off from behind apparently by distant searchlights trying to find it. By the time the emailer got outside the shooting had stopped and whatever they were trying to hit had already crested east of him over the hill so he never saw it.
The interesting part is that years before when the younger Edwards and the men were talking about the Battle of Los Angeles there was a boy with one of the men he was talking to. The boy, who we did not know, had come over to the end of the counter where we were sorting pennies and told us he was from Hollywood Riviera and when he was a kid they had an anti-aircraft gun mounted in their front yard. He said that in February of 1942, a couple of days after his 7th birthday, "the Army was firing it north up the beach toward Redondo all night long."
The point past the Edison steam plant where the object turned inland toward the southeast, the ground generally slopes up from sea level at the beach to around 150 feet within a mile or so. The object must have already been flying at or near that height as it did not seem to need to change altitude much as it approached the level of the top of the hill. It was clearly exposed to ground fire in the open air broadside from both the north and south before it began hugging the rooftops of the houses built along the higher level ground. It was out of range of anything from the north and to the south, the Hollywood Riveria battery was almost two miles away. That did not stop it from opening up on the object for the short time it had it in profile. It just was not effective, the rounds were falling all over the place before and beyond its path. It was attested to by the emailer going around the next day with a couple of buddies picking up pieces of shrapnel in various far-flung parts of the neighborhood.
One of the first times the Littleton quote so cited referencing me showed up online was dated Thursday, December 07, 2006 in UFO CHRONICLES under the title "EXCLUSIVE: THE BATTLE OF LOS ANGELES - Part II." It has appeared on and off since then basically in the same format the last being, again in UFO CHRONICLES, dated March 01, 2015 under the title "Eyewitness Account of The Battle of Los Angeles (Pt 2) 73nd Anniversary." Now, while it is true going into and changing the original works of Littleton is not advocated, what would be appropriate would we an addendum-like update with what I have presented in the main text above --- after all 2006 to 2015 is a long time with the same not particularly valid information being repeated.
I do bend somewhat and give Littleton some credit in one major case however, because in his officially published hardback book 2500 STRAND, in the footnote section "Notes to Chapter Four #42" used to substantiate what he has presented, that is, the quote I have used in the main text above, he writes the following in his footnote about "Another eyewitness, who lived in Redondo Beach" (me):
"(R)ecalls that it descended as it passed slowly over his family home. His father at first thought it was coming in for a landing, perhaps at the nearby Lomita airstrip, and he and several neighbors jumped into a car and tried to follow the object. But it soon regained altitude and passed over the hills to the south. He also claims that the 'stern' of the craft was rectangular, with rounded edges, and very thick."
Of course, it is relatively easy to go to my page THE BATTLE OF LOS ANGELES: 1942 UFO and cull out almost word by word what I have written and what shows up in his quote. In the same footnote section in his book a few footnotes down he also brings up San Clemente Island, repeating what is an exclusive with me, again without reference to me or mentioning me by name.
While Littleton is quite willing to cite my observance of the object in his own works because they substantiate his observations, as you can see he has a tendency to overlay the observations with a wisp of skepticism --- primarily aimed at me personally and my credibility. However, in an article about the Redondo madam Fifie Malouf, the following paragraph, wherein a conversation between two ex-marines and one of Malouf's associates in Malouf's Happy Hour Cafe circa 1946 or so, offers up a similar observation to that of the Redondo Beach resident, and of which would have happened only minutes before because of the closeness in proximity of the two locations and that of the observers:
"In August 1942 he was on Tulagi Island, a short distance southwest of Guadalcanal when he and a bunch of other marines observed some sort of flying objects that were different than anything he had ever seen. He said they were round and nearly flat, shaped almost like an upside down tin pie plate, with no wings or fuselage, glistening with a silver sheen. With that one of the women butted in and told the ex-marine that was nothing because one night in February 1942 right there on the Strand a huge, giant object, as big as a locomotive, came in off the ocean and flew right over the top of the Happy Hour Cafe and the apartments. She had heard a ruckus going on outside, sirens, guns firing, all kinds of stuff, so she went out on to the Strand only to see this "thing" a few hundred feet above the beach slowly glide overhead off the ocean, not making a sound and, because of its length, taking forever to pass over."(source)
The Happy Hour Cafe was located on the beach-level corner of one of the apartments owned by Malouf, along with several others, at 300-400 The Strand, Redondo Beach --- between the Edison steamplant and the Redondo pier --- the exact place the object is said to have flown over (none of the buildings in question along the Strand or that portion of the Strand exits today, first wiped out by powerful storms in 1953, and later to be torn out for redevelopment).
For me or my works not being cited or linked to as the source and/or always being heavily blanketed with an inherent lack of credibility is not a new thing or necessarily an unusual event. For example, below, which is just one of many, and brought to your attention here because it is a print book and not just some internet blog or sorry excuse for an informative website, in my page The Boy and the Giant Feather and it's follow-up companion site Talon and Scratch Marks From the Giant Bird wherein I write about where, when or how it would be possible that a genuine DNA-based born-and-bred from an egg of a giant bird in the lineage of a Teratorn feather could come to light in our present day world, the following is found in Adrienne Mayor's 2005 book FOSSIL LEGENDS OF THE FIRST AMERICANS (Princeton University Press) that refers specifically to feather so discussed by me on the pages cited above:
"According to Pleistocene bird specialist Tommy Tyrberg, a Teratornis fossil preserved in a dry desert cave could have cartilage and feathers. 'Even a wing of Gymnogyps (californianus) amplus, the large Pleistocene subspecies of the California condor, could be described as having man-sized bones. Remains of this bird have been found in at least six New Mexico caves.' Several very well-preserved Teratornis merriami remains have also been discovered in Dry Cave, Eddy County, and other caves in southern New Mexico, and teratorn skeletons have turned up in southern California, Nevada, Oregon, and Florida. A Native American fossil story that circulated on the Internet in 2002 claimed that a black-and-white feather, nearly sixty inches long with a quill the diameter of a stick of blackboard chalk, was made into an amulet by an old shaman in southern New Mexico. Whether or not that story is true, a feather of that size could be plucked from the remains of a mummified teratorn in a dry cave."
Notice the author writes "(A) fossil story that circulated on the Internet in 2002 claimed that a black-and-white feather, nearly sixty inches long with a quill the diameter of a stick of blackboard chalk, was made into an amulet by an old shaman in southern New Mexico." The author did not cite me as the author or the source, only that it was an internet story, then goes on to say "Whether or not that story is true," with no attempt to contact me and substantiate the accuracy of the story.
Even though people seem to like my stuff, it also seems, and even more so, that many get a little uneasy refering back to my works as the source, or to me, the Wanderling, specifically, as the author of any given work. It is my feeling it has something to do with what is found in The Last American Darshan and most certainly so, Dark Luminosity. However, the content of those two sites notwithstanding, what I present in the fully documented, backed-up, and footnoted work of mine titled The Code Maker, The Zen Maker is the one that knocks the socks off almost everybody. It's almost as though I have the Ebola virus or some other equally contagious disease.
When it comes to people unfamiliar or outside of the circle of where or how such experiences fit they are often uncomfortable with what such a background connotates --- hence feeling others would be uneasy as well --- impacting adversely how they might choose to substantiate what they present in their own works. See:
THE WANDERLING AND WIKIPEDIA
My comments on "the stereotypical percolator coffee pot lid disc-like objects of the day with little glass humps on top," is not intended to make fun of or dengirate Littleton or any of the "tens of thousands of eyewitness accounts of UFOs in this country and elsewhere that have come to light in the course of the last six decades" that DID report objects of such a nature. It is just that the L.A. object did NOT fit into one those types of sightings. So, regardless of Littleton's comments saying my observations of the object were "skewed" or "atypical" it could be mine, if not spot on, at least slipped more closely into the perimeters of reality. If you remember from the main text above, the following is what Littleton himself said he saw:
"(M)y mother and I failed to spot either the hump or the possibly reflective orange glow. Indeed, I strongly suspect that what we saw was the object's ventral, or 'belly' side, which at that altitude was simply glowing white. In any case, as the Times image clearly indicates, the anti-aircraft barrage had begun, and the searchlights were following it steadily."
Now while it is true I have never seen one of the "typical" coffee pot type discs personally, a person very influential in my life I call my Mentor, of whom I originally began my study-practice under between my junior and senior years in high school and who himself had studied under the venerated Indian holy man the Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi, observed an object of similar nature while traveling in the Himalayas in search of the Hemis Manuscripts. It is from his sighting I get the nomenclature "coffee pot lid."
He told me what he saw after we ran across a poster in a book store one day regarding one of my favorite movies, The Day the Earth Stood Still. I brought up the fact that as a young boy I had gone with my uncle to Roswell because he wanted to see if there was any truth behind the so called Hieroglyphic Writing reported on some of the metal scraps --- and before that I had personally observed the giant airborne object of unknown origin that came known as the Battle of Los Angeles.
With all those thoughts in mind, when we got back to his place he went through a handful of leather bound diary-like books until he found the specific one he was looking for. Then he thumbed through the pages until he found the page he wanted. On the page showed me an entry with a small drawing and the date and time: "AM August 1927." The entry, and I remember it well because a few days later I went back and copied it word for word with a ballpoint pen on the inside-back of my belt --- and saw it there many times for years afterwards, read:
"Coming in just above the horizon arcing out of the north, a huge circular object, shiny like polished metal. Not an aeroplane. No wings, no sound. Like a coffee pot lid. Very fast."
What is most interesting about the whole thing is that a man by the name of Nicholas Roerich, of which I found out about many, many years after seeing my mentor's entry, was traveling in almost the exact same general area, only in the opposite direction (i.e., headed toward Tibet from China) also in search of the Hemis Manuscripts. In 1929 he published his diary chronicling HIS search under the title Altai-Himalaya: A Travel Diary. On pages 361-62, Roerich writes the following under the date August 5, 1927:
"On August fifth - something remarkable! We were in our camp in the kukunor district, not far from the humboldt chain. In the morning about half-past nine some of our caravaneers noticed a remarkably big black eagle flying above us. Seven of us began to watch this unusual bird. At the same moment another of our caravaneers remarked: 'there is something far above the bird,' and he shouted his astonishment. We all saw, in the direction north to south, something big and shiny reflecting sun, like a huge oval moving at great speed. Crossing our camp this thing changed in its direction from south to southwest, and we saw how it disappeared in the intense blue sky. We even had time to take our field glasses and saw quite distinctly the oval form with the shiny surface, one side of which was brilliant from the sun."(source)
A PRESENT DAY SIGHTING?
In a first ever description of a similar observation that I have ever heard of from any source, one that parallels the account given to me by MY exclusive eyewitness --- that is, that the the huge object he observed looked like an upside-down liferaft --- has been brought to my attention. Although I am yet to pinpoint a specific year or date, it seems to have been seen sometime in the 1980s, around thirty to forty years AFTER the Los Angeles flyover --- and not over L.A., but in place called Bickel's Camp located in the desert about 100 miles north of Los Angeles, in an area called Last Chance Canyon. The object, as described below, was seen by three men, Mark Aslin, the former caretaker of Bickel's Camp, John Bullock and Walt Bickel:
"The three men went outside and beheld an awesome sight. In the eastern sky hovering over the nearest hill was an enormous dark object.
"'It was shaped more or less like an inflated life raft,' Aslin recalled. 'The sky was crystal clear and it was a brilliant, star-studded night.' Aslin pointed out that desert living had made them accustomed to ambient stillness, but the silence they encountered that night was like being deaf.
"'Then the shape moved over the cabin slowly,' he said. Everything became unearthly hushed. 'You couldn't hear animals, insects or even the wind. It became frighteningly quiet in a desert known for silence.' The object moved on slowly and disappeared in the west."(source)
I had been in and out of the Bickel Camp since the time, as a young boy, I was found wandering in the desert all alone by an old man in a jeep who took me there. Because of that I knew one of the witnesses personally, Walt Bickel, the man the camp was named after. However, I had not been to Bickel Camp since 1972 when I stopped by to tell Bickel that my dad, who was a onetime old prospector friend of his, died. The object flew over the camp well after my last visit so, not only had I never discussed the sighting with Bickel, I wasn't even privy that it happened until recently. I do know Bickel's word was as good as gold and if he said he saw it, he saw it. And if it was huge and looked like an inflated life raft it was huge and looked like an inflated life raft. For more on Walt Bickel and any relationship I may have had with him through my father from my youth to adulthood please see The Tree and/or go to: